Forged Alliance

Hardwigg can't make it to ZA this evening. And I can't be at SSC tomorrow either. I'll probably be working 'til at least 8 and can't make it home on time. Should still be good from Wednesday on...

jerome736 wrote Rock can go ahead and take my place from now on if there are no other heals ahead of him.   Edit: What I'm trying to say is, I'm not interested in half runs, going in and killing the first 2 bosses and someone else coming and killing the rest. If you are going to have this group, stick with it. I'm tired of the group running all the time constantly, without a whole lot of warning. Thats cool if you can get a random group of people together whenever, just count me out if you plan on doing thing consistently like this.

You are confusing me I wanted to try and avoid half runs and get a consistent clearing group going.  But anyways, we killed the first three bosses and are at dragonhawk, and we need you weedeater

This is just an example of it. If you planned a Monday night full clear, why did you grab a bunch of people and start the instance already?  

Hanh wrote  jerome736 wrote Rock can go ahead and take my place from now on if there are no other heals ahead of him.   Edit: What I'm trying to say is, I'm not interested in half runs, going in and killing the first 2 bosses and someone else coming and killing the rest. If you are going to have this group, stick with it. I'm tired of the group running all the time constantly, without a whole lot of warning. Thats cool if you can get a random group of people together whenever, just count me out if you plan on doing thing consistently like this.   You are confusing me I wanted to try and avoid half runs and get a consistent clearing group going.  But anyways, we killed the first three bosses and are at dragonhawk, and we need you weedeater

Because we will not clear it starting @ 7 server.  We will get 3 bosses in, wipe a few times on dragonhawk, and call it since it will be past midnight for a few of us.  Best case scenario, we get the first four down.  I am also tired of half runs (first half runs specifically).  With kara, its a bit of a kick in the nuts to people who signed up that they can't kill the boss they wanted if someone went in early.  With za, its more like "wait till tomorrow morning, or the next day" due to the reset timer.  I just don't want to spend every monday clearing the first 3 bosses, when they only drop 1 loot/badge. I would like to get to a point where we can clear this in one night, but for me at least, that means starting @ 5 server, which is probably not realistic for all 10 people. I agree with you in principle but in practice with 10 well geared people sitting around on a saturday afternoon, I don't see a point to not running the instance and getting a head start for the monday group.

Anyways, you should come tonight because your shield might drop since I snagged it already

We can discuss tonight whether everyone wants to move the time up and do a full clear on mondays, and I will stop using up half our raid ID, or if someone wants to sub in for me when I check out around 10:30 server.  Eventually, we will be clearing this instance in 3 and a half hours, but currently we do not.

Thats fine, I'm just saying it'd be nice if you give prior warning for the days so we can plan around it instead of finding out the day of, etc .

I think it's a matter of semantics really -- it's the Monday ZA group -- the scheduled group, not the clean up what everyone finished before you arrived. Pretty soon it wont be such a struggle to get 4 even 5 bosses down in 2 hours.  Pretty soon it wont be such trouble to clear it in 3 --- then on Monday anyone "planning on it" is left with scraps. I know this is coming from someone already obligated to Monday, but I see Athha's point and can imagine myself getting equally frustrated.  Anyone in the Monday group should have a chance at the timed event IMHO.

I dunno, I guess I feel the opposite way?  Having cleared bear/eagle/lynx a whole bunch of times, and then getting stuck at dragonhawk and not being able to finish the later bosses has me feeling pretty excited that we'll be able to do those end bosses tonight.  I certainly think that once we're able to clear it all in one night, it'll be best not to start it prior to monday, but until then, especially for the saturday/sunday/monday timer it's best to try and get in there a bit before monday so that we can actually clear the instance.

Some stuff came up and I'll be unavailable until later tonight, my apologies =\  If y'all need a DPS sub I'll be on around 9 server hopefully. Thoughts on ZA: 1.  A problem with doing the first two bosses at more or less unannounced times is that there's no steady progression towards a third chest. 2.  Another problem is if a group goes in and clears the first two bosses and doesn't even get the chests, that's a bit of a waste of potential upgrades due to the following three facts.  First off, we do have groups that can practically guarantee two chests.  Second, there are folks who could be looking for PvE upgrades from the chests.  Lastly, I've also heard and seen that a few of the last ZA's that FA has run has lacked one or more potential chests. 3.  Saying that folks can wait three more nights is not completely accurate if they don't when the next run will be after the reset.  Two missed ZA's in a row is only one day less than a Kara reset timer.  Three missed ZA's is two more days than a Kara reset timer.  ZA is almost worse than Kara resets because the reset days are constantly shifting which makes it harder to schedule consistent multiple day clears (which leads to my next thought). 4.  If group structure is optimal, I'm certain we are already at the level where we could clear ZA in one night in less than four hours at a given time.  If a day is dedicated to accomplish this feat and folks make the effort to set aside time to do this, I'm sure it will happen. If y'all are worried about not running a ZA when there are enough people on, maybe there could be a set in stone day for solid ZA clears that are scheduled, folks let other folks know when they're available, etc.  Other ZA's could be randomly run around this day, because there are two ZA's a week (or seven ZA's for every 3 weeks).  For instance, maybe Tuesdays and Wednesdays could be solid 25 man raiding nights and Thursdays could be one or two solid ZA's.  That would allow most random weekend ZA's to still continue, and allow folks who want two chests one night clears to get what they want too.