Forged Alliance

theanch0r wrote:Andy you know I love you but regardless of the assumptions that Jim makes about the times that Ofie can raid the fact that some of the officers 25m raid attendance is less than average or absent all together cannot be disputed.

Been like that since we joined the guild November 2007 before any of you all where here. This guild has always had officers that can raid a lot and others that can't. And I've never seen an officer removed because they don't raid 25mans. This guild isn't a raiding guild, it's a guild of friends that raids. (Which is why our big group that helped push the numbers to consistent 25man nights joined in the first place.)

And as far as Ofie, I'm not sure where Wapau got the whole he could raid Tuesdays before we did ICC. Our 10 man has never ran Tuesday nights, ever. Me and Dustin ran one for guildies during the ToC times, but he never went to that. And he also hasn't been able to go to most of our 10mans on Wednesday nights for the last couple of months. You don't know what's going on in a person's real life, and to infer as such isn't very nice.

Regardless, like Benvolo said, making things personal doesn't help the issue. And picking on someone that wasn't raiding with us anyways is not looking to fix the problem. It's where are all those people that were consistently on for Thursday nights, but disappeared after a couple weeks of wiping on Festergut. Well, hopefully some bonus DKP will entice people to log back on. And we'll see from there.

Maybe I'm wet about Ofie and I apologize again for using him as my example. I'm not writing these posts with any maliciousness in mind. I'm just trying to cite examples so I can be more clear about my point. Forums are a vague way of communication and many times innocent or helpful posts are taken the wrong way.

My point is: We need to recruit. Using earned DKP as my gauge 80% attendance would equal 100dkp. There are only 16 people over that mark, for whatever reason.

theanch0r wrote:Andy you know I love you but regardless of the assumptions that Jim makes about the times that Ofie can raid the fact that some of the officers 25m raid attendence is less than average or absent all together cannot be disputed.

Who the hell ever said part of the requirement of being an officer is raid attendance? Who are you to cast judgment?

And Jim, what the hell has been up your ass for the LAST FREAKING YEAR about Ofie? Goddamn man. Whats your problem with him? You say you make these posts without any malicious intent and yet:

WarmApplePie wrote: Can we please get Ofie his own 10man thread so he can stfu and stay out of 25man discussions. You don't come to them so wtf do you pretend to care. gtfo.

You'd have to be blind not to see the maliciousness in that. All this nonsense makes me remember why I enjoyed the time more when we didn't do 25's. Ofie has as much right to post in these forums as anyone else.

And before you go running your mouth off Anchor, remember last Tuesday on Deathwhisper when *YOU* were the cause of one of the wipes by laying into the Quest NPC that we had to save. YOU. Everyone makes mistakes. You're not perfect, nobody is.

And another thing, Jim: don't go running your mouth talking for people that aren't here. If *ANYONE* has a problem with the way things are going, let them come here and post for themselves. Don't give me this "lots and lots of people" and then list names of people who most likely never visit our forums anymore so can't reply nonsense. Half the people on your list no longer play the game. If someone has a problem, tell them to post. If they don't want to post for whatever reason, then I don't care what they think. But don't YOU talk for THEM.

Why can't people just PLAY this game and have fun?

Okay. REAL Kdub here (not Vegi stealing my FA.org account). You guys all know that I practically never get involved with this stuff. There was one time when I made a comment on the forums last year, and people went nuts just like in this thread. I wanted to say something because like Anchor said, we are all adults here. I have a huge problem with people naming names in a forum like this. Tsuni said stop doing that to Jim, and then went off for paragraphs having to prove Jim wrong. Dustin too. Now I'm doing it.... Anyway, please, please, PLEASE can we just change the subject here BACK to what was originally posted by Jim at the top (scroll WAY up). I like to raid, and hopefully no one will get on me for saying that I try extremely hard to be there, and pretty much am, for the 25 on Tuesday and my 10 on Friday. I don't really care about doing VoA or the weekly with FA. Like others have said, those are easier to pug. I would, however, LOVE to progress in ICC25. So much so, that I would commit myself on Tuesday even earlier if asked to in order to get Festergut, Rotface, etc. down. I want to mention a huge difference in my attitude and opinion of FA's 25 man versus my 10 man group. I love my 10 man because we are progressing and, most importantly, have fun. Everyone is nice and loves each other. Our Tuesday night raid, however, is almost to the point of being work to me. Not fun. I have to go listen to a bunch of people be know-it-alls and bossy pants, some go afk for more than 10 minutes at a time, and it's not worth it, because we don't do anything new. If everyone that wants to go to the Tuesday night raid committed to the raid and nothing else (sports games, TV shows, etc.), we would be a lot farther IMO. If they can't, then maybe they shouldn't say they will go. I am not perfect in this either, I know, but I am just trying to think of a way to make this about having fun and progressing, and not about power trips and annoyingness. K, my rambling is done, but I want you guys to know that I am still willing to do 25-man on Tuesday and will always try my hardest to help the guild. I love FA and the people in it, even when they get emo. The end.

thread locked. my comments forthcoming when i'm either not as drunk or drunker

edit: it's not saturday night anymore, so not drunk version

i don't see a need to make this thread any messier than it already is, but did want to finish it with a few things.

hp will be making a post about 25s everyone should read, and provide feedback if you like.

it's disappointing to see the forums degrade to the point of to sniping at each other. this is, and always has been, a cliquey guild with various groups of people who don't always get along 100% of the time. this shouldn't surprise anyone, and probably will never change. however, it doesn't mean we can't at least be civil with each other. suggestions and comments are always welcome and encouraged. without feedback from everyone, those tasked with running raids are likely going to continue with things the way they are, as there isn't any knowledge of discontent outside of the obvious. constructive criticism is useful, being childish is not. there has been some of the former and a lot of the latter in this thread.

as far as attendance, i will say that no one is required to particiapte in any raid, ever. that isn't to say it isn't encouraged and appreciated, but if someone has no desire to raid or has other things to do, then that's perfectly fine. i don't expect anyone to schedule their life around this game, or play it any way other than they find enjoyable. i certainly know i don't.