Forged Alliance

Awesome job all on Lurker and Gruul this week, now what we need is to get another night in so that we can progress.  2 attempts and then moving instances isn't going to get us anywhere, so we need that second night.  It appears that most of the dps/tanks can make a wednesday group, but 5/7 healers cannot.  Seems like this isn't going to be our second night.  I talked to a couple people in guild yesterday about maybe doing the 25's on tuesday and thursday, and running partial pug kara groups for those that still need gear on wednesday and saturday/sunday.  I have noticed the last month or so that there are a crap ton of people logged in on thursdays, almost more than on tuesdays, so this seems like the best day to hit up another 25 man run.  To get kara pugs going on wednesdays/sundays it would only really take the MT's and healers that we already have volunteering their time to get people geared, dps can be filled in from there.  I by no means want to take apart group 2 as they have done so well with their progression.  It does seem that most of them are decently geared, and I would hope that after 5 months they would be getting bored with kara and ready to progress further.  I really think that we can gear the rest of the people through pugs on other days so that we can progress as a guild into the 25 man content.  Please let me, and the rest of the guild, know what you think about this.  Just lookin at the post and not voicing your opinion does nothing to help anyone.  And if any tanks or healers want to volunteer to tank/heal one of those pugs (even if its just to help gear another tank or healer for the time being) please let me know.  I will keep track of who can do what and get this going.  If this works for people I would say that we could start it next week.  I REALLY  want to get the 25's going and have the guild be successful.

mahonri wrote Just lookin at the post and not voicing your opinion does nothing to help anyone. 

So when I looked at your post, there had been 6 views.  IS that 6 people that don't care what we do?  I think that it would make sense turning Thursday into a 2nd Guild night as there are so many on.  Maybe the new Kara grp could take advantage of Wednesday/Friday or something like that.  IF there are enough to "Possibly have 2 Kara groups run on Thursday"  then there is also enough for a  25 man night.

  Meh I like my group 2, I also dont think a "pug" kara thing is gonna work as one week one person is keyed to this raid number that person keyed to another and so on..  Then you can't make the progression thru the instance and only end up getting certain bosses which may be good for some but not others loot wise. It's also the group dynamics, as a group, grp2 knows what to expect from each other and it's not gonna be a bunch of tards in greens wiping the raid. I am also amused by the amount of ppl who think because they hit the magic 70 they think thier ready for Kara content while not even having run many heroics for decent blues and purples, instead relying on greens and a smattering of blues, hoping for Kara loot replacements and so forth. Also I like thinking of Kara as a great way to farm much needed badges too.  However, yeah most of us are geared out Kara wise even beyond Gruul's and Mag in some gear. In summary I purpose perhaps grp2 move thier Thursday (1st night) to another night and keep the group together. My final two cents about not wanting to break up grp 2 .

As I understand it, Group 2 wouldn't be broken up, but would be merging with 15 other people who know how to play the game just as well. 

I also think that Thursday would be the ideal night for a second 25 man raid.  It is enough time to get more mats/ consumables and read up on new encounters from Tuesday.  However it isn't so long that we forget/lose our groove.  I will ask group 2 tonight if everyone would be available to start a bit earlier on Sundays, and then just oneshot Kara.  If that doesn't work, I will see if I can find a different day that all of group 2 could still get together and blow through Kara in one night.Andy

This seems like a good idea to me, and we have talked about just doing one day for kara in group two anyways, if everyone else can i normally dont have a problem starting by 6:30-7 server time  we really only need an extra hour  on our current day to easily take down moroes opera curator shade netherspite chess  prince and nightbane in  one run leave the other bosses for a monday run if anyone needs the loot or a late night  thing

So I have talked to everyone that usually runs with Group 2 ( I think), and we are going to try to clear Kara in one night, on Sundays.  We will start a little bit earlier (pull at 7pm server?) and we should be able to get through it all.  Worst case senario we leave Attumen, Maiden, and Illhoof for Monday, or late night crew on Sunday.  This would open up Thursday for many of us to use for a 25 man raid night.  I think that Thursdays are generally good for most of us.We will finish clearing Kara this Sunday, and after that, move to the new schedule of one night clears.Andy

This is the same kind of "growth" mindset that group 1 had to step into before giving up their main raid night for 25-man content.  It's better to progress and have one day a week of bigger/better than filling in a few people for gear upgrades on the loot train.  (Don't get me wrong - the loot train should still run, but that shouldn't be the primary, paralyzing focus.)I sort of like this idea more that I think about it too -- as an old group 1 guy, I've felt separate from group 2 probably based on trying to set them up established with their own raiders instead of filling it with alts.  They've always had plenty of tanks / dps --- now when group X runs, I can volunteer whoever to fill whatever needed role.

Nice, looking forward to doing Kara in one day/night will be fun! I like the faster pace at which we've been doing it lately, it's not reckless but definitely a more productive use of time in a time sink game.

IMHO, 25mans will always take higher priority. If Thursday works out well, then make it so. If a kara group is disturbed by it, it might stumble along for a week or so until they work out the difficulties, but they'll figure it out, and the guild will be better in the long run.

yeah i like the sound of that, and by bringing our kara group down to 1 night a week  it wont put us over the 3 days a week most of us are raiding now