Ahh -- I can understand how that would be taken poorly, and I now get the seed of the sentiment. For the record and everyone's recollection, we spoke on Sunday about having a meeting Monday night -- which is just a few short hours from Tuesday (actually - 8pm server is about Tueday for me). The topic was to be the split into groups, and it was suggested that people should be able to *commit* to certain raid times. I got whispers from a couple people about continuing Tuesday or "what does this mean about Tuesday" or "what is my place now?" really -- that set the ball in motion.Since we had raided a few weeks on Tuesday, I sent a tell to everyone who had made it to the Tuesday group the previous weeks that night (Sunday) asking if they wanted to be part of the Tuesday group. Something to the effect of "Mahnalor recommended we get specific with people committed to one or the other group -- can you commit to Tues/Weds at 7pm?" In hindsight, I can see how it might cut the feet out from under the organization that was going to happen the following day, but really everyone is an individual with their own agendas ... on Monday night, we could have gone any which way depending on where each individual wanted to go. I feel I should mention that this was before we started kicking butt. Like Mahonri mentioned, we were wiping on Maiden trash. Amulec was under-geared and protection, Baraccus was new, Mahonri/Kaittlynn were pretty new as well, Krikor was still part of a different guild IIRC ... but you're right - I sent a tell to some of the long time guildees as well and thought about relationships and group makeup, etc - I know Mahnalor/Another have a long history, as do Fargol/Dudepal, as do Mahonri/Kaittlynn, as do Hardwigg/Dixiemartin, as do Killean/Quani/myself. I thought having your raid buddy there is a good thing though .. I only wish we had enough healers that the split wouldn't have been as painful as it was.Anyways, I'm saddened to see you go -- perhaps you can just take a back seat to the management/organization and get back to the fun of it all?Also, sorry to anyone who feels like this was a jerky way to go about things -- as you can hopefully see now, I'm just rolling with the punches trying to get my 'raid on'. This wasn't a master scheme by any means ...Jon wroteI guess I'm thinking of when we hopped on vent that night to decide on the groups for the Kara split. A few of us were doing the Sethek halls heroic for Nightbane afterwards and a few of us got tells from Mason on joining group 1, including Fargol and Dude. So I was just thinking of the factors that led to those decisions and thought that he was coordinating what was a solid group. But then also felt bad for not being able to put more time in on the other group. So that's what i was referring to, but I hate to keep on focusing on the Kara split. I think I realized tonight I'm putting way too much time in thinking about this (when I should be playing!) Anyways, I think I'm going to take a break from the guild thing for a bit. I hope the posts were somewhat constructive. No hard feelings, I promise. Talk to you all in game.
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Dammit Jon, who are we going to get drunk and run through BRD with if SeniorStirFry is not around? I am sure he still needs something from there
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Mason, as I hope came across in my post you've done a great job of tanking and getting people in gear for raiding. I really enjoyed downing all the hard bosses that we did before the raid split, I think Prince and Netherspite were the sweetest...well after Curator I suppose since that took us the longest. If anything I'm feeling sense of relief taking a step back due to getting some RL things going, and taking some time off from raiding with the guild is a good thing for me at this point since commitment is key for the 2 kara groups and I'm not looking to step up my time commitment, mainly I'm looking for about 1 raiding night a week. I think any activity one spends this much time on it has to be taken seriously to some level. And to sum it up, I don't feel like taking it too seriously right now, I have other things I want to be thinking about and dealing with in my life. But yeah, as I mentioned I'll still be playing probably pvp and some alt leveling instead of set raid times. And maybe I'll try to get an invite back into the guild for more raiding later on if it works out for myself and it makes sense with the guild.
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LOL Miramel, count me in anytime.
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Here is one ...Chuunks wrotePoint out some specific posts...
Chuunks posted ... rant about working hard and not see others do the same (good post)
Blave posted ... follow up to rant with no real advice
Gathgor posted ... something not related
Chuunks posted ... helpful response to something that was off topic
Chuunks posted ... funny comment about the off topic question
Baraccus posted ... about the off topic question
Fargol posted ... about the off topic question ... an a to the point remark about being off topic
Gathgor posted ... *pissed* at Chuunks
Chuunks posted ... WTF? now I am *pissed* at Gathgor
Chuunks posted ... i am just being me
Fargol posted ... (nice response) Gath, why off topic posts?
Okay, this is a summary of a recent thread ... I know I am breaking a major rule of reposting content from one forum to another, but maybe this is what started everything and I think we need to put this post in context with any of the other threads that maybe related.
WHAT HAPPENED HERE??
I am trying to figure out why Gathgor responded the way he did ... I have read and re-read the posts and everything seems like normal "forum" stuff ... if anything, Fargol's response to the off topic was a little rude (but constructive) ... I am guessing the ranting got to Gathgor??
Chuunks, you do rant sometimes ... and you are good at it, I ranted with you lots of times! .. ranting is a way of releaving stress about things we can not control, are unhappy about, etc. I believe a little ranting is a necessary evil ... if there is such a thing.
My only comment is this ... while I completely understand your "WTF? now I am *pissed* at Gathgor" ... you were tactful, you had the right to defend yourself, and your response was appropriate ... there was an opportunity for peace and you chose war. I normally try peace several times before switching to war mode. (Maybe there is some history between you and Gath that was already established?) Also, I understand in the heat of the moment posting a adversarial replay. One piece of advice I got from an old timer rings true in situations like this ... "emotions are GREAT for getting your attention, but they SUCK for making decisions"
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I've thought long and hard about this as well - reread much of what I and others wrote - and I think I now know the source of the ire. At one point, I made a (tactless?) post that said he needed to work on his gear or raid with Syrinxiarra .. I wont rehash things for fear of opening old wounds .. when the thread got moved to the warrior forum instead of lost in the ether, it wasnt on topic or even valid anymore so I purged it. You're absolutely right. I made a pretty poor decision I think to create this thread (posted earlier than I wish I hadn't clicked 'update' right as walking out the door) .. I wasn't meaning to start a war, and my knee-jerk reaction was the retributive strike. You know how passionate I can get, having received the brundt of it on occasion. (Sorry again for that.. different topic)Yet I would like to know if and where I got under someone's skin, and if I have such a negative effect on anyone else. I'd hate to have it boil over when it could have been a misunderstanding.BTW Gath -- if I hit it right on the source of your anger, sorry man -- we had a long history, I wasn't meaning anything mean by my post -- you had said you were jazzed about raiding with Syrinx, and I guess I went running with the reasons why that would be good ..
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I just hope this thread can get lost in the ether now. 
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Just be nice, folks, that's all. Don't single people out; use generalities. We all know what our mothers told us: 'If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.' Let's just be cool and dump the drama for constructive, analytical debate - such as considering a loot system for 25-man content.PS - I found it really funny for some reason when Dee used the word 'shit' in her post. Just didn't expect it. It was awesome.
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OK, So I took a 3-4 day break from WOW and I actually thought I would get kicked from the guild for my comments. I was a little miffed, but I am back on the forums. I love this guild. I have been in other guilds and they suck big time. They do not help and they are immature. I have told Mason in game and stated IN THE FORUMS how much I think that his comments are helpful. THEY ARE. But this week, I was sitting at work and was taken aback by your comments and I vented. Sorry about that. I still think you are the best tank in the guild and think you should go on tanking. but perhaps we can find better roles for the rest of us. I have struggled with being a tank myself and thought I was doing a fair job and had fair tanking gear. But there were others that were also geared for tanking and wanted to do it. I took the DpS role and have been having fun in PVP with Gathgor. It has been great. I have not worked hard at having Syrinxiarra getting keeyd for Kara and I have fialed at getting keeyd like 7 times so far. My record is 11 times with Gath (sheesh). Syr has almost all blues and one purple so I think she can go to Kara and do decent. At this point, I think that my best position is to sit back, relax, and see when I am needed. I am also a frequent poster to the forums, but I am also kind of a hothead and maybe that is what we don't need here. Gathgor/Syrinxiarra
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I've been known to fly off the handle too, I can get over it - my only regret is that I think this drama (of which I played a big part) had a direct effect on Myrdinn taking a guild break. That makes me feel terrible ..Let me know online what you're lacking in BM and I'm sure I can help -- Drumble has been able to control the adds easily (or make it real easy on the "add man" by taking the whelps while DPSing portal bosses) and Chuunks takes a lanking and keeps on tanking.
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Well here goes my first attempt at a post. I know I don't really say to much about anything, unless it's my newest gear conquest but i've ran with both grps on atleast one of my toons and i think everyone has their stong and weak points. As far as what alot of people were saying about giving 110%, it makes sense. Unless you like going into battle unprepared, I know that i never go with a premeditated notion of failure. But like Mason and a few others have said we're all about helping eachother and i know not everyone can afford to go out and buy the mats they need for pots/enchants/etc but most of us have atleast 2 70s and i'm sure one of them has a gathering prof. So why not do what the horde does and make an outting of it? Form grps that have a variety of gathering profs, with nice dps and heals and spend an hour rounding up supplies. As a single unit yea you can get those 6 primal whatever in however long, but let's say you take 2 or 3 dps and a healer, you get that same number of primals in half the time. Not to mention you have less issues with the horde ganking you cause you've got each member of the team watching your 6. I'm sure I posted this in the wrong place but yea i was trying to catch up on reading the forums and it hit me so I figured I'd let the first one fly where it may. I would have put it in soapbox but i hate speaking in front of crowds....>< Anyhow just an idea...L8rz Paul Starsaver/Onestar/Themornnstar