Team Thursday 8/9 Raid Report

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » August 9th, 2007, 3:10 pm

Turi still needs keying ... I was going to see about running SL/SV/Arc. for him tonight if he's on.

Mahnalor · Post by **Mahnalor** » August 9th, 2007, 7:58 pm

Great! thanks for helping him out!

Mahnalor · Post by **Mahnalor** » August 10th, 2007, 4:12 pm

We managed to get a full group together and downed the first boss on the first attempt! Moroes, however was another story. We managed to get him around 10% once and 25% twice but no luck in downing him. I believe we had a solid strategy, however just couldnt pull it off. Several things that might help out on Sunday:Make sure everyone has a decent supply of pots needed for their class. Additional elixirs to improve dmg/ defense/ healing etc... is definitely a plus. Send Another mats if you need anything made. She can make most pots/elixirs. One strategy here is to use a pot closer to the beginng of a boss fight to have the cooldown avail near the end. Example: Mage1 has 7000 mana. When he gets down to around 5000 mana... pop a mana potion... by the time they are almost out of mana, their cooldown should allow the use of another potion. Same goes with healing pots.... Most boss fights can last longer than 2 minutes allowing this to happen...Food buffs. No-one should be without a food buff while in Kara. Please try to farm/buy/ask for food with buffs before starting out. This is an easy to increase the survivability of the group. As we progress and get better and better gear, we will be more potent in terms of DPS, healing and tanking. Let's all make sure to take a look at the armory and look for upgrades to our existing equipment that is easily upgradeable. Even if the improvement is minor, it all adds up. Also check your gems, enchants, rep enchants, etc. Any way you can improve your armor helps out the whole raid. Those in attendance:MahnalorThandrennThwackessBenvoloAnotherKurumiMyrdinnDRPFionaaStarsaver(+PUG hunter after Thwackess left)Loot from Attumen:Gloves of Dextrous Manipulation - MyrdinnWhirlwind Bracers - DE

Benvolo · Post by **Benvolo** » August 10th, 2007, 9:38 pm

Good info there Mahnalor. I can make 20stam food so if you guys need some let me know. Also, I had a couple ideas that might improve our sucess with moroes.1. At the start of the fight, when we are focusing on his guests, we should try and get a rotation going for the interupts on the casters. I for one noticed a few wasted counter spells (mostly by me). Since we usually seem to roll with 3 mages, it could be something as simple as; Mage 1 counterspells the first cast that they see, then the next spell is countered by Mage 2... etc etc. This would help a lot with the Shadow priest, since she has that mana burn that will basically OOM a caster on hit. It should aslo help with the healer too.2. If we don't have 2 priests available for shackles, I would be able to kite one of the mobs around if no one else wants to.3. Moroes is a fight against time, the longer he is up, the more garrotes happen. While we are focusing on downing the guests, would it help to throw a few shots at moroes into the rotation? Just to get some more damage on him earlier. Perhaps we frost mages can keep our elementals focused on moroes at the start of the fight.4. I read on the interweb that if one of the tanks gets incapacitated, the other should turn their back so that it can't happen to them. I don't know if you guys were doing that, but I remember once we had some problems with tanks getting locked out or something. Anyways, just some thoughts, feel free to correct or add to any of my ideasAndy

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » August 11th, 2007, 6:36 am

RE: tanking MoroesOnly once have myself and the OT both been incapacitated, and we counted it a fluke. If you turn your back to the boss, you're exposing yourself to a lot of potential damage. This is a level 73 boss mob that hits real hard -- has crushing blows -- has a flurry attack towards the end. Additionally when the one tank is gouged -- the other neeeds to be building threat, not cowering.Threat is the biggest thing to pay attention to on Moroes. Get a focus target on KTM for Moroes, because as everyone knows he'll gouge the highest threat and head towards the secondary. Threat is problematic though if you get a long run of no gouge/blind because it's hard for the secondary tank to threat without that available rage from the damage, ESPECIALLY if you're not trained through defiance in protection.If Moroes killed anyone but the tanks first -- that was 100% of your problem.

Benvolo · Post by **Benvolo** » August 12th, 2007, 12:00 am

I see, thanks for the correction on the double gouge. From what I read online, it seemed like it could happen a lot. Just goes to show that I shouldn't believe all I read on the net.

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » August 12th, 2007, 4:55 am

Benvolo wroteI see, thanks for the correction on the double gouge. From what I read online, it seemed like it could happen a lot. Just goes to show that I shouldn't believe all I read on the net.

Ours wasn't a double gouge actually -- Amulec got blinded, he ran to me and I was gouged almost immediately. I think it's awesome that you did the research and shared it with people here, regardless of the content -- that weekly self-analysis and taking time to read/study/figure out the encounter is the key to success. The other raid team was able to tack on one new boss a week by doing this. I dont think it's possible to progress by reading alone - you need to get a feel for the encounter first. Additionally this technique (minus the "turn your back on him") might have some validity to it based on the group makeup of the folks in their raid ...In fact, one of the problems I mentioned is that we suffer if I get a long series of no gouges -- makes it hard for Amulec to build threat. If I worked it so I traded threat with him -- that is, when I get gouged - he's able to soar above me on the threat list and keep Moroes until the next gouge. Together we might have a lot more combined threat ...Our big learning experience the time before last was that Moroes can die to DoTs when he goes invisible. If this happens, you get the loot - but you have to soft reset the instance and kill him again. (More loot! .... but a 40 minute wait)Definatley check out some of the raid reports on this board, there is an assessment of almost every boss as we progressed week by week. Keep posting these and I'll add my own tanking perspectives to them.

OldGeezer · Post by **OldGeezer** » August 12th, 2007, 2:04 pm

Grants to Myrdinn and Thandrenn for winning the random rolls for the void crystal DEs/.... They in the mail

Fargol · Post by **Fargol** » August 12th, 2007, 3:22 pm

On the Double gouge - Yea, I think the wowwiki or some other read-through of the fight makes a big deal, because Dudepal and I did a pug a few months ago when we didn't run the guild that week, and the leader was hell bent on having all the ranged dps clump up on moroes while ranging the adds. (Which I thought was complete rubbish, as we need to be taking out the adds) Anyway, of all the times we've done it, Moroes double incapacitating the two tanks maybe represents 1% of all wipes. Untimely shackle /frost trap breaks and resists, etc is a far more likely source, and should be worried about far more than the rare double tank thing.

Mahnalor · Post by **Mahnalor** » August 13th, 2007, 4:54 pm

We were able to down Moroes and take care of the Wizard of Oz Opera Event. We learned a few things but still had to PUG a healer. We didnt get going until almost 9pm which I realize might have frustrated a few folks. We'll work on this and see where we get. There are a few up-and-coming healers that we will do our best to get attuned in the next couple of weeks.Here are the folks whom participated:MahnalorThandrennMyrdinnAnotherBenvoloZuklenDrpHuckenphalerDelvPhrikkPUG ShamanLoot:MoroesMoroes Lucky Pocket Watch - ThandrennIdol of the Avian Heart - DEWizard of OzEternium Greathelm - ThandrennWicked Witch's Hat - Another

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » August 14th, 2007, 5:48 am

AWESOME!The Oz event is definately my favorite. Now that those bosses are down and people have the raid experience -- this should turn into a lot of fun, the first night you could easily clear through Opera since you started late and Attumen is a 20-30 minute warm-up.Anyone part of this raid should consume information on Maiden of Virtue / Curator. These are fairly simple fights -- the big learning experience on Curator is how to do (and I quote and I cap) "BALLS OUT DPS". Something counter-intuitive - but exteremely necessary in a raid environment. This is one fight that you're not going to be on the boss except once every 2 minutes -- so go nuts on the Astral Flares - then go double-nuts on Curator when he evokes.Grats guys!

Jon · Post by **Jon** » August 14th, 2007, 11:33 am

Hi all, just wanted to let the group know I can't raid this week. When I'm available again I'll post on the forums. Sorry to do this as we're short on healers, but real life is taking priority at the moment. - Jon (Myrdinn)

Mahnalor · Post by **Mahnalor** » August 15th, 2007, 2:04 pm

Thanks for the heads up!