Kara Group Two Raiding Nights

Kaittlynn · Post by **Kaittlynn** » October 21st, 2007, 11:58 pm

Hey guys, i really think that we should try to see if we could arrange a third night for grp 2. Even if it isnt all the same grp, it would be nice to have an extra night to try to progress into Kara. We aren't completing it in 2 nights, so it would be nice to get that extra boost. Also, I know that some nights get late for people, so if we had a third night, then at least we would have theoption of calling it earlier in the night.

thandrenn · Post by **thandrenn** » October 22nd, 2007, 8:11 pm

I'd be open to this. If not having a third night every week, perhaps every other week?

Kaittlynn · Post by **Kaittlynn** » October 22nd, 2007, 11:10 pm

Every other week sounds even better to me

. I work every other weekend, so if we did Thursday, Sunday and added a Saturday every other weekend, this would be awesome!

Nagashi · Post by **Nagashi** » October 23rd, 2007, 8:34 am

I can do this and more... we keep hitting the same bosses and seemingly the gear from those bosses is played out too, as in ppl don't need it, already have it or etc... . We aren't really progressing just repeating the same fights week after week. The other night was decent though with Attunemen, Morose, Opera and Maiden, but again how many times have we downed those guys. That was a good night, but there's still so much more content, Shade, Netherspite, Nightbane, Illhoof and even Prince. As well I think it would be kind of cool to see everyone get thru Kara all the way and get attunment for dare I say it.... SSC? I know it's easy for me being not married, only working 8 days a month etc.. but I am on ALL the time and sometimes the grinding for mats and or etc.. gets old I've done all heroics except CoT (not much in there for Hunter that I could actually use at this time gear wise) and I avoid normal mode instances complete waste of time at this point in the game for me. I also realize that as a Hunter I am pretty lucky to have a full time slot in Kara raids so trust me I'm not bitching just wondering if we could "get on with it"?

Benvolo · Post by **Benvolo** » October 23rd, 2007, 11:55 pm

I agree that our progression has slowed somewhat. I am not opposed to having a third night. However I think it may be best to use the third night when we are trying to figure out a new boss. The first two nights we do the usuall thing, then clear up to whatever boss we are going to work on. The next night, that would all we would do, learn the new boss. Then when we get to the point of being able to handle the new boss, we move said boss into the scheduled encounters for the week, and go back to twice a week. Once we can do that consistantly, we just keep adding bosses until we can clear it in two nights. Also notice that I scheduled Prince for Sunday. But that means we need to down Shade. And if that means that we skip chess to get extra time on Shade I think it would be a good idea, since chess is easy, and I think most people have gotten the loot they need from it.

Han · Post by **Han** » October 24th, 2007, 7:19 am

One thing you might consider is skipping attumen and maiden and trying to get moroes, opera, shade on the first night, leaving the instance wide open for "pick any boss" for the second night and you get the teleport too. This way you can just do prince and illhoof one week on night 2, attumen and netherspite the next week, etc. Also, fights like attumen and maiden are a great way to kill the last half hour of a raid if there is a bit of time left and people are not up for a 45 minute trash clear.

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » October 24th, 2007, 7:51 am

I agree - - I think killing Curator on the first night is the key to progression. Killing Shade on the first night is a rough schedule since you have to kill Moroes/Opera/Curator before the 30-45min trash before him. Until he's a one-shot -- probably best to start with Shade on night #2, then take your pick of the place.

Han · Post by **Han** » October 24th, 2007, 9:16 am

Whoops yeah thats what I meant - downing curator every week on night 1 is huge, even if it means skipping some of the (easier) optional bosses. T4 gloves all around! These are less likely to be sharded too, since people can take them for off spec if noone needs the main spec ones. Some may argue that attumen is a good warmup, but there should be plenty of warm up time on the moroes trash with the elite pats and then the nasty 2 pulls inside the banquet room. Also, it helps keep morale up if you have a wipefest and then the trash respawns for the second time on that boss, you can just go kill maiden or attumen and at least end on a good note.

suteraj20 · Post by **suteraj20** » October 24th, 2007, 9:33 am

i would be up for it as long as its during the week and not on a weekend. those are not the best times for me to beable to raid. i work sat nights and then the gf comes over. so any day between sunday and thursday is good for me. that is if u are still looking for that one dps im here to fill that spot for group 2

Nagashi · Post by **Nagashi** » October 25th, 2007, 7:48 am

Sounds great! We clear say, Shade one night and save Prince or whatever for the next night so we can focus on that particular boss to include wipes, repairs and etc... . Chess is a gimme event and unless someone really wants/needs something from it, it's nice for that time of night when we have a small amount of time left to just knock it out as opposed to just calling it a night. Sounds great man!

drp · Post by **drp** » October 25th, 2007, 8:38 am

i dont know how everyone else feels, but i would rather do chess then wipe on shade, its easy and there is still a lot of loot to be had for group 2

Han · Post by **Han** » October 25th, 2007, 9:04 am

With the sheer number of loots available in the chess table, it takes forever to get everyone what they need... But yeah its a good ending point since it is easy and will leave everyone feeling better about wipes

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » October 25th, 2007, 11:58 am

drp wrotei dont know how everyone else feels, but i would rather do chess then wipe on shade, its easy and there is still a lot of loot to be had for group 2

Ouch -- dont assume you're going to wipe.

I'd rather do chess than wipe on a Ironhide Basilisk if you put it like that.That's about 30 minutes of trash to Shade -- plus an additional 15 or so to Chess. 30 minutes you'd have to clear again the next night if you don't do Shade. Shade is not hard, none of these bosses are -- they just take learning the fight and being able to rely on your fellow raid members. Obviously certain fights are stacked to be better for certain classes, and Shade is a melee pincushion... he's one of my favorite fights in the instance, EVERYONE needs to be on their toes moving. No standing in one spot hitting your spell rotations -- no one handing it while you swig a beer - focus from everyone. After all, he's not just some simple jester - he's Nielas Aran!

Han · Post by **Han** » October 25th, 2007, 1:27 pm

Did someone say lore?He also managed to father Medivh with an 800+ year old elf that had previously defeated Sargeras and was the most powerful Guardian of Tirisfal... Although it was completely her doing, but still...not your average spellcaster.

drp · Post by **drp** » October 25th, 2007, 5:26 pm

i love the shade fight, its just that there have been times were we went to do shade first wiped on it 3 times and called it a night because of respawns, my point is just that chess is an event we should get completed every week. being just 15 minutes shade, there is nothing worse then calling it on the 2nd day and having never made it at least to chess.

Hardwigg · Post by **Hardwigg** » October 25th, 2007, 7:19 pm

It would be helpful to have someone in the raid running a timer on when the Shade trash will start to respawn using Deadly Boss Mods. You should be able to get quite a few attempts at Shade done no matter what. But if it becomes apparent that you're not going to be able to get Shade down, check with the person who's timing the respawns - do as many attempts as you can, but then head on to Chess before a wipe will run you into respawned trash. That way you get your attempts in and you get Chess loot too.