Second 25-man raid night?

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » January 2nd, 2008, 9:44 am

Wednesday night seems to be the chosen favorite night for a second 25-man - but that's not to say that it's the day that works for all 25 of us. Personally I'd love us to get some Magtheridon training in.Lets take inventory tonight and see how close we can come -- maybe in the least we can split into Kara/ZA groups for those not already committed elsewhere.

Hardwigg · Post by **Hardwigg** » January 3rd, 2008, 3:34 pm

I know I can't make regular raids, but on Tuesdays would it now be beneficial for the guild to move on from Gruul's since we're one-shotting it and try SSC or The Eye? Why not try progressing through some higher-level content with better loot? Because there's no way it makes sense to sit in Gruul's until every last person has gotten the loot they want. I'd rather die trying something new every week than spank Gruul on autopilot. Just furthering the debate or whatever.

drp · Post by **drp** » January 3rd, 2008, 4:57 pm

I dont know how everyone feels but I think it would be dumb to move on from a raid we can get down every week when a lot of people dont have there loot from it, I would understand if we get to the point where poeple are jsut using gruuls to gear there alts, but at this time I think it would be dumb to stop running it

Kaittlynn · Post by **Kaittlynn** » January 3rd, 2008, 9:57 pm

Gruuls loot for all would be nice! At the same time, the upgrades from Kara gear are so close. At times the gear that we have is better than what drops. I have seen us shard Gruuls loot b4. I understand the desire to all have Gruuls loot, but maybeit would be better to move on to a 25 man that will drop more loot, and also loot that is more of an upgrade.

Baraccus · Post by **Baraccus** » January 4th, 2008, 7:52 am

drp wroteI dont know how everyone feels but I think it would be dumb to move on from a raid we can get down every week when a lot of people dont have there loot from it, I would understand if we get to the point where poeple are jsut using gruuls to gear there alts, but at this time I think it would be dumb to stop running it

At the same time, Gruul will offer a limited set of upgrades to a limited number of raiders after he's on the farm (he seems to be, in this case.) SSC on the other hand should be full of upgrades for everyone. Add in the fact that it is new content, and you have a more compelling reason to move on. I think every raiding guild faces this issue, and it comes down to why you raid. If you want to see as much content as possible, I think you move on as soon as you're putting things on the farm. That may or may not be your reason, just something to think about.

Han · Post by **Han** » January 4th, 2008, 1:32 pm

Yes, I would completely agree with moving on, at least on tuesday nights. If there are enough people wanting to get a 3 stam and 2 agi upgrade so they can spend 150g on gems/enchants for the new gear, then I am sure they will find another night to go, and put together a raid. In general, I think we are best served as a whole guild to have 1 night of farming an instance and 1 night of new content... But I will raid whatever

Fargol · Post by **Fargol** » January 4th, 2008, 2:11 pm

Yea, we need to shift focus away from Gruuls and toward new content - I'm not saying give up on it completely, but rather focus on the new content on our main raid day, and either get Gruul on 25man day 2 or as a way to close a night of wipes with some easy farmed bosses.

drp · Post by **drp** » January 4th, 2008, 2:13 pm

I am up for running what ever, If as a group it looks like everyone is geared enough to go into SSC lets go for it, I guess it is a lot harder to get all 25 people on at one time and if we can only get one raid a week with the full group lets go for some SSC stuff

starsaver · Post by **starsaver** » January 4th, 2008, 2:36 pm

Fargol wroteYea, we need to shift focus away from Gruuls and toward new content - I'm not saying give up on it completely, but rather focus on the new content on our main raid day, and either get Gruul on 25man day 2 or as a way to close a night of wipes with some easy farmed bosses.

drp wroteI dont know how everyone feels but I think it would be dumb to move on from a raid we can get down every week when a lot of people dont have there loot from it, I would understand if we get to the point where poeple are jsut using gruuls to gear there alts, but at this time I think it would be dumb to stop running it As i don't usually agree with either of the afore mentioned asshats i think both make perfect sense in this case and only this case for now for the most part i'm good to raid everyday out of an 8 day week. i love it and i'm all for progression. One thing i would like to say as far as gear, is that i think we need to look at who would benefit more from certain drops, not saying like main tanks and heals but more so the dpsers and other healers that are "consistant" about coming to raids and functions. Such as replacing a blue with a purple as opposed to a purple for another purple. that'll help make sure everyone is geared somewhat equally and hopefully ensure that people who just joined the guild don't get some 25 man loot then gquit and go to main event or some other trash guild the day after getting something that should have went else where... THAT IS ALL

mahonri · Post by **mahonri** » January 4th, 2008, 3:00 pm

starsaver wrote for the most part i'm good to raid everyday out of an 8 day week. i love it and i'm all for progression. One thing i would like to say as far as gear, is that i think we need to look at who would benefit more from certain drops, not saying like main tanks and heals but more so the dpsers and other healers that are "consistant" about coming to raids and functions. Such as replacing a blue with a purple as opposed to a purple for another purple. that'll help make sure everyone is geared somewhat equally and hopefully ensure that people who just joined the guild don't get some 25 man loot then gquit and go to main event or some other trash guild the day after getting something that should have went else where... THAT IS ALL

Yes, apparently when we did Gruul this week there were a couple complaints/hurt feelings due to ppl winning loots. IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A LOOT PLEASE CONTACT THE RAID LEADER. I know that I wait a good 10-15 seconds after someone wins before I give the loot to anybody. If someone is replacing a kara purple with another purple, and you rolled to replace your blue then YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP. *** New post started as well that goes along with this, but is not about another 25 man night.

Fargol · Post by **Fargol** » January 4th, 2008, 3:07 pm

I think we are by all means ready for it gear-wise.

What I think we'll need to make it work is teamwork, preparation, and for everyone it give it there all.

It's just a matter of rehashing the same thing we start any new content:

EVERYONE show up with full raid consumables - probably a good idea to use flasks on the new stuff
EVERYONE show up with knowledge of the fights.

Same stuff we've all heard before, but it's easy to get lax as we've been doing the same stuff for a while now.

And for many of us who now have multiple kara geared characters - assess which character would suit the group the best and/or which you feel you can perform the best with.

starsaver · Post by **starsaver** » January 4th, 2008, 7:47 pm

[QUOTE]Fargol wroteQUOTE] shut up and go get me a beer already.... Thank GOD we don't have wireless headsets already or we'd never be rid of him

Nagashi · Post by **Nagashi** » January 6th, 2008, 8:24 am

I realize very much that some ppl may not be geared for SSC as of yet, but for me presonally... after Armoring my gear for upgrades there's nothing for my hunter in either Gruuls or Mags and the biggest upgrades are SSC, BT, TK and Hyjal, other than that I'm pretty much tapped out gear wise, which is why run after run I don't roll on anything and pass on the loots that may be used by Hunter dps class. However I really do enjoy doing the raids and being part of the team means supporting the team which is why I continue to spend gold on pots, flasks and repairs to run things I don't really need, it's for the team and helping out where I can. I do however think our time would be better spent in trying to get those who are commited to the team and progression geared up for higher level content before said content becomes irrelevant with the upcoming xpc. Also have we considered a dkp type loot distribution system? For instance last week didn't someone win two rolls on different items in Gruul's? I think we would be better served as a group to more evenly distribute the "loot" amongst the team members rather than rely on the highest roll and to chance. Also there's some fat loots in ZA and the content being 10 man, perhaps instead of Kara we could/should do that? The loots are supposedly a bit better than Kara and more towards progression to the higher level 25 man content(s) or so I've read over and over.

Aezelkvalae · Post by **Aezelkvalae** » January 6th, 2008, 7:26 pm

I am of course a little biased, because as a newer player I need Gruul's loot more than most at this point. However, my point is this: compared to the amount of time put into other things by many of the players who comprise the regular 25 man raid on Gruul's, Gruul's lair is a pretty fast raid. Perhaps I am wrong but it seems like even if we needed to switch the Gruul's raid time around, or rotate a couple people out who are done with it, it wouldn't be impossible to find the time each week to spank him quick and be done. We could even perhaps break it in half if need be.

Aezelkvalae · Post by **Aezelkvalae** » January 6th, 2008, 7:30 pm

Oh and also, for my part I am not even going to attempt to gear any of my alts., just get them to 70 and wait for the expansion, but I would really be interested in getting my druid into BT and Hyjal by this summer before they are rendered obsolete.