Learning Experiences -- Leo & Fathomlord

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » March 5th, 2008, 5:50 am

I love that we got a Fathomlord attempt in! I think you all can see how beatable this encounter is, we just need a couple attempts to sort our strategy now. ... a couple learning experiences in last nights raid. Leotheras * WTB more weapon's expertise! I should regem a set for this fight that has more +hit ... I was dodged/parried/missed way too many times at that critical window where he pops out of whirlwind or demon form. I have 89 hit & 9 expertise in my Leo set -- which I thought would be good for a tank, but I'm thinking maybe I should regem some older gear to up those a bit. I shouldn't rely on misdirect -- as well as the rest of the raid shouldn't rely on my first hits to always land, pay attention to those meters, and I'll try to call it out when I'm dodged/parried/wiffed. * Intervene wasn't working well ... and even trying to change to berserker stance and charging doesn't work well, because it leaves me rageless and white damage while he charges after someone else who either had dots on him or didn't see me chasing him frantically trying to regain control. * Getting Insidious Whisper was problematic on our second attempt as well. 2x he chose me and I have to finish off my shadow with execute-bloodrage-execute which spend the rest of my rage. If I dont have an extra 4-5 seconds after killing my shadow to build up rage for a shield slam, we'll *need* to have misdirects when he pops out of demon form. Twice I was chasing him with white damage. Fathomlord Karat...? * Those spitfire totems have a long range. If I'm going to tank him at the top of those ramps -- both the priest and the hunter need to be on the other side of the columns. * Healers should be on the opposite side of the ramp from me, and I move Karat...? to them when the spitfire spawns. When it despawns, healers move to the opposite side -- and we repeat. This way a healer is never standing in the spitfire trying to get one last heal in before moving, the only critical time for heals (at that phase) is when moving to the opposite side and avoiding the whirlwind. Lurker Below * *sob* AGAIN 3 crushing blows by the WWS, and we have this fight controlled but despite paying strict attention this time he got me 3 times still. I have a plan for next time though. Crushes will happen (like the proverb s**t happens), but this is at least something for me to battle against. I expect a number of crushes from Leo since that's more of a threat fight and struggle to keep control .. but for Lurker, this should be beatible!

thandrenn · Post by **thandrenn** » March 5th, 2008, 10:15 am

Yeah, I totally had the Priest in the wrong spot. Got a bit mixed up when I started backing up and didn't notice it till end of the fight. Boo tunnel vision.

jerome736 · Post by **jerome736** » March 5th, 2008, 10:34 am

thandrenn wrote
Yeah, I totally had the Priest in the wrong spot. Got a bit mixed up when I started backing up and didn't notice it till end of the fight. Boo tunnel vision.

YES LOL. After Hanh went down, I took off to where you were supposed to be to take over healing...but I couldn't find you at all so I ended up making a big loop

Han · Post by **Han** » March 5th, 2008, 10:44 am

See, I thought the priest was supposed to be tanked where we had her, but just way in the corner
http://www.bosskillers.com/cgi-bin/bbgu ... BOhcXlAt7T

Han · Post by **Han** » March 5th, 2008, 10:45 am

Mainly the problem with the priest was that we got hit with another aoe besides her own 45 yard one.

jerome736 · Post by **jerome736** » March 5th, 2008, 11:31 am

I'm not saying you weren't where you were supposed to be according to bosskillers, but where raid lead stated you guys would be during the raid

On the other hand, there always is the possibility that I got lost haha

Han · Post by **Han** » March 5th, 2008, 12:50 pm

No you are right, we were supposed to go to the other corner... But I question that logic since there is a pat over there?

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » March 5th, 2008, 1:34 pm

Not the other side! You were on the right side -- just not in the "corner" corner. You were next to where the four start instead of close to the entrance ...

Beiner · Post by **Beiner** » March 5th, 2008, 2:35 pm

I was going through these videos again and the old forum threads from when my old guild use to do this and trying to remember why we did the hunter first before the shaman. We had it set up like the video, with the hunter pulled to the corner across from the where they orignally start, on the ramp. The sham was tanked where we had the hunter last night. The reason we took the hunter out first, was so the tank on Kath... would have more room to move around the totems when we killed the shaman guy. Also, while we are getting the hunter out, only the tank on the shaman and the healer on that tank should be getting hit by the spitfire totem. Just something to think about on our next try.

Tsuni · Post by **Tsuni** » March 5th, 2008, 3:01 pm

I'm like 90% postive we killed that pat on the other side when we did it. It gives you a lot more room for the spitfire totems/spreading out.

Beiner · Post by **Beiner** » March 5th, 2008, 3:29 pm

I tried to draw this in paint, but I don't know how to paste it in this thread so I'll just use this cheap way of explaining it. Imagine the room as a square, and the 4 columns in the room. Also imagine the ramp being between the columns 1 and 2, 3 and 4. It's set up similar to: 1 4 2 3 I numbered them that way for a reason. Just past column 1 closer to the wall is where andrew/brav would tank the hunter boss. Closer to column 2, just a little bit closer to the entrance would be where either Chuunks or Akuma would have the sham. Column 3, closer to that other wall is Dustin with the priest. And 4 is where they start, and where Chuunks or Akuma will have Kath...whatever. The kill order is 1-2-3-4. With the pet being 1a. All the healers will be near their associated tanks. During the hunter boss and from the start, everyone that is not a tank or their associated healer or the group to interupt the priest will be ABOVE the ramp closer to the hunter, so they are not in range of the totems. The tank and healer with the sham are just going to have to take it and heal through it while we dps down the hunter and his pet. After we kill them, everyone dps #2. When the sham dies everyone moves between column 2 and 3, so they are not in range of the totem. When Chuunks or Akuma is fighting Kath... and he drops a totem, the tank will walk Kath over to where the hunter boss was and the healer will go with him, out of range of the totem. Then when he drops another one he walks back to the original spot pretty much kiting back and forth, until we get the priest down. Once everyone is on Kath... we dps totems first and Chuunks/Akuma will no longer have to walk around back and forth. Hopefully this helps, if not eh I had fun writing it. Also to Tsuni's point, I forgot, but I think we do kill the pat.

Beiner · Post by **Beiner** » March 7th, 2008, 12:33 am

We had some pretty good attempts today. Do you guys think it would help if we switched up Akuma and Chuunks?

Drumble · Post by **Drumble** » March 7th, 2008, 5:30 am

I was wondering that myself -- I have a healthy bag of tricks I'm able to pull if he gets his windfury proc with the spitfire down, and a decent avoidance set. What I read is that occasionally "gib happens" with him as well. Akuma has me on armor of course, being a druid -- but I think I have the bigger health pool (think - operative word).